Telos Corporation (TLS)
Every figure this model derived for TLS, the value it took, and the element in the company's own XBRL it was read from — so any of it can be checked against the filing rather than taken on trust. As at 2026-06-30.
The figures, and where each came from
This is the part no other screener shows. Each figure below names the XBRL element it was read from, so it can be checked against the filing itself.
| Figure | Value | XBRL tag | As at |
|---|---|---|---|
| capex | 873,000 | PaymentsToAcquirePropertyPlantAndEquipment |
2026-06-30 |
| cash | 50,647,000 | CashAndCashEquivalentsAtCarryingValue |
2026-06-30 |
| current assets | 96,825,000 | AssetsCurrent |
2026-06-30 |
| current liabilities | 40,636,000 | LiabilitiesCurrent |
2026-06-30 |
| equity | 93,413,000 | StockholdersEquity |
2026-06-30 |
| interest expense | 483,000 | InterestExpenseNonoperating |
2026-06-30 |
| ocf | 34,615,000 | NetCashProvidedByUsedInOperatingActivities |
2026-06-30 |
| revenue | 193,708,000 | RevenueFromContractWithCustomerExcludingAssessedTax |
2026-06-30 |
| sbc | 21,529,000 | ShareBasedCompensation |
2026-06-30 |
The ratios
The figures themselves rather than their scores — what somebody looking up TLS on one particular measure came for.
| Ratio | Value |
|---|---|
| cash operating margin | 8.1 |
| current ratio | 4.13 |
| current ratio reported | 2.38 |
| deferred revenue growth | 32.96 |
| dilution pct | 1.43 |
| ev owner earnings | 22.37 |
| ev sales | 1.41 |
| fcf margin | 17.42 |
| growth cv | 9.43 |
| interest cover | -39.77 |
| operating margin | -9.92 |
| owner earnings margin | 6.3 |
| revenue growth | 65.93 |
| revenue growth per share | 63.59 |
| roic | -30.71 |
| rpo growth | 9.28 |
| rule of 40 | 56.02 |
| sbc pct revenue | 11.11 |
Everything else this filing tags
400 more elements from TLS's own XBRL that this model has no measure for, newest reading each, largest first. Nothing here is converted, added up or renamed — it is the filing's own element names and the filing's own numbers.
| Element | Newest | As of | Periods | Unit |
|---|---|---|---|---|
AdditionalPaidInCapitalCommonStock | 454,611,000 | 2026-06-30 | 84 | USD |
RetainedEarningsAccumulatedDeficit | -361,210,000 | 2026-06-30 | 129 | USD |
ProceedsFromIssuanceInitialPublicOffering | 272,813,000 | 2020-12-31 | 3 | USD |
CommonStockSharesAuthorized | 250,000,000 | 2026-06-30 | 43 | shares |
StockholdersEquityIncludingPortionAttributableToNoncontrollingInterest | 172,354,000 | 2022-12-31 | 152 | USD |
Assets | 139,749,000 | 2026-06-30 | 126 | USD |
LiabilitiesAndStockholdersEquity | 139,749,000 | 2026-06-30 | 126 | USD |
RedeemableNoncontrollingInterestEquityPreferredCarryingAmount | 131,565,000 | 2017-12-31 | 44 | USD |
SalesRevenueNet | 107,727,000 | 2017-12-31 | 148 | USD |
DeferredTaxAssetsGross | 78,319,000 | 2025-12-31 | 30 | USD |
WeightedAverageNumberOfDilutedSharesOutstanding | 77,576,000 | 2026-06-30 | 79 | shares |
DeferredTaxAssetsValuationAllowance | 77,196,000 | 2025-12-31 | 32 | USD |
OperatingLossCarryforwards | 76,000,000 | 2025-12-31 | 13 | USD |
CommonStockSharesIssued | 74,736,789 | 2026-06-30 | 43 | shares |
CommonStockSharesOutstanding | 74,736,789 | 2026-06-30 | 43 | shares |
WeightedAverageNumberOfSharesOutstandingBasic | 74,361,000 | 2026-06-30 | 79 | shares |
CostOfGoodsAndServicesSold | 61,420,000 | 2026-06-30 | 113 | USD |
IntangibleAssetsGrossExcludingGoodwill | 59,978,000 | 2026-06-30 | 30 | USD |
RevenueRemainingPerformanceObligation | 56,500,000 | 2026-06-30 | 44 | USD |
SegmentReportingOtherItemAmount | 55,892,000 | 2026-06-30 | 20 | USD |
ProfitLoss | -53,428,000 | 2022-12-31 | 155 | USD |
CashCashEquivalentsRestrictedCashAndRestrictedCashEquivalents | 50,788,000 | 2026-06-30 | 117 | USD |
StockRepurchaseProgramAuthorizedAmount1 | 50,000,000 | 2022-05-24 | 8 | USD |
PropertyPlantAndEquipmentAndFinanceLeaseRightOfUseAssetBeforeAccumulatedDepreciationAndAmortization | 49,198,000 | 2021-12-31 | 2 | USD |
FiniteLivedIntangibleAssetsGross | 48,282,000 | 2026-06-30 | 88 | USD |
CostOfGoodsAndServiceExcludingDepreciationDepletionAndAmortization | 47,949,000 | 2024-09-30 | 4 | USD |
Liabilities | 46,336,000 | 2026-06-30 | 125 | USD |
StockRepurchaseProgramRemainingAuthorizedRepurchaseAmount1 | 43,200,000 | 2026-06-30 | 17 | USD |
IncomeLossFromContinuingOperationsBeforeIncomeTaxesDomestic | -37,302,000 | 2025-12-31 | 2 | USD |
PropertyPlantAndEquipmentAndFinanceLeaseRightOfUseAssetAccumulatedDepreciationAndAmortization | 34,826,000 | 2022-03-31 | 4 | USD |
GrossProfit | 34,067,000 | 2026-06-30 | 146 | USD |
OperatingExpenses | 32,302,000 | 2026-06-30 | 24 | USD |
CapitalLeasedAssetsGross | 30,792,000 | 2020-12-31 | 22 | USD |
FinanceLeaseRightOfUseAssetBeforeAccumulatedAmortization | 30,784,000 | 2021-12-31 | 2 | USD |
FiniteLivedIntangibleAssetsAccumulatedAmortization | 30,765,000 | 2026-06-30 | 88 | USD |
MinorityInterestDecreaseFromRedemptions | 30,000,000 | 2020-12-31 | 16 | USD |
GeneralAndAdministrativeExpense | 29,600,000 | 2026-06-30 | 84 | USD |
SellingGeneralAndAdministrativeExpense | 29,600,000 | 2026-06-30 | 208 | USD |
DeferredTaxAssetsGoodwillAndIntangibleAssets | 29,437,000 | 2025-12-31 | 12 | USD |
IntangibleAssetsNetExcludingGoodwill | 29,213,000 | 2026-06-30 | 82 | USD |
SalesRevenueServicesNet | 28,787,000 | 2018-03-31 | 94 | USD |
ContractWithCustomerAssetNetCurrent | 27,446,000 | 2021-06-30 | 26 | USD |
CapitalLeasesFutureMinimumPaymentsDue | 23,408,000 | 2018-12-31 | 8 | USD |
CostOfRevenue | 22,169,000 | 2018-03-31 | 94 | USD |
CapitalLeaseObligations | 22,000,000 | 2014-12-31 | 14 | USD |
EmployeeServiceShareBasedCompensationNonvestedAwardsTotalCompensationCostNotYetRecognized | 21,900,000 | 2026-06-30 | 12 | USD |
PropertyPlantAndEquipmentGross | 20,808,000 | 2026-06-30 | 56 | USD |
CostOfServices | 20,523,000 | 2018-03-31 | 94 | USD |
LineOfCreditFacilityAmountOutstanding | 19,800,000 | 2013-12-31 | 11 | USD |
AccountsReceivableNet | 19,087,000 | 2016-12-31 | 12 | USD |
AccumulatedDepreciationDepletionAndAmortizationPropertyPlantAndEquipment | 18,318,000 | 2026-06-30 | 120 | USD |
CapitalLeasesBalanceSheetAssetsByMajorClassNet | 18,300,000 | 2014-06-30 | 5 | USD |
AccountsReceivableNetCurrent | 18,000,000 | 2026-06-30 | 100 | USD |
ReceivablesNetCurrent | 18,000,000 | 2026-06-30 | 62 | USD |
CapitalLeasesFutureMinimumPaymentsPresentValueOfNetMinimumPayments | 17,980,000 | 2018-12-31 | 8 | USD |
GoodwillGross | 17,922,000 | 2025-12-31 | 2 | USD |
FiniteLivedIntangibleAssetsNet | 17,517,000 | 2026-06-30 | 41 | USD |
ContractWithCustomerLiabilityCurrent | 17,220,000 | 2026-06-30 | 69 | USD |
DebtInstrumentCarryingAmount | 17,200,000 | 2019-12-31 | 16 | USD |
SeniorNotesCurrent | 16,919,000 | 2020-09-30 | 6 | USD |
AccountsPayableTradeCurrent | 16,339,000 | 2022-09-30 | 80 | USD |
DeferredTaxAssetsOperatingLossCarryforwardsDomestic | 15,974,000 | 2025-12-31 | 22 | USD |
NetCashProvidedByUsedInFinancingActivities | -15,528,000 | 2026-06-30 | 128 | USD |
FurnitureAndFixturesGross | 15,420,000 | 2021-12-31 | 24 | USD |
GoodwillImpairedAccumulatedImpairmentLoss | 14,916,000 | 2025-12-31 | 2 | USD |
PropertyPlantAndEquipmentAndFinanceLeaseRightOfUseAssetAfterAccumulatedDepreciationAndAmortization | 14,823,000 | 2022-03-31 | 4 | USD |
CapitalLeaseObligationsNoncurrent | 13,951,000 | 2021-03-31 | 82 | USD |
DeferredCostsCurrent | 13,920,000 | 2026-06-30 | 14 | USD |
ShareBasedCompensationArrangementByShareBasedPaymentAwardNumberOfSharesAuthorized | 13,459,913 | 2023-05-08 | 6 | shares |
AccountsPayableAndOtherAccruedLiabilitiesCurrent | 13,375,000 | 2025-06-30 | 117 | USD |
CapitalLeasesFutureMinimumPaymentsDueThereafter | 12,916,000 | 2018-12-31 | 7 | USD |
CashCashEquivalentsRestrictedCashAndRestrictedCashEquivalentsPeriodIncreaseDecreaseExcludingExchangeRateEffect | -12,284,000 | 2021-03-31 | 20 | USD |
ShareBasedCompensationArrangementByShareBasedPaymentAwardEquityInstrumentsOtherThanOptionsNonvestedNumber | 12,142,973 | 2026-06-30 | 39 | shares |
BilledContractReceivables | 11,355,000 | 2026-06-30 | 58 | USD |
LongTermDebt | 10,984,000 | 2018-12-31 | 31 | USD |
DeferredTaxAssetsOperatingLossCarryforwardsSubjectToExpiration | 10,600,000 | 2025-12-31 | 6 | USD |
DeferredTaxAssetsInProcessResearchAndDevelopment | 10,446,000 | 2025-12-31 | 8 | USD |
AccountsReceivableGrossCurrent | 10,158,000 | 2021-09-30 | 28 | USD |
DeferredRevenueCurrent | 10,073,000 | 2017-12-31 | 56 | USD |
LineOfCreditFacilityMaximumBorrowingCapacity | 10,000,000 | 2016-03-31 | 8 | USD |
PreferredStockSharesAuthorized | 10,000,000 | 2025-12-31 | 6 | shares |
ComprehensiveIncomeNetOfTaxIncludingPortionAttributableToNoncontrollingInterest | 9,532,000 | 2012-12-31 | 16 | USD |
FiniteLivedIntangibleAssetsAmortizationExpenseNextTwelveMonths | 9,277,000 | 2025-12-31 | 5 | USD |
DeferredTaxAssetsTaxDeferredExpenseCompensationAndBenefitsShareBasedCompensationCost | 9,179,000 | 2025-12-31 | 10 | USD |
IncomeTaxCreditsAndAdjustments | 9,100,000 | 2013-12-31 | 4 | USD |
DeferredCompensationLiabilityCurrent | 8,985,000 | 2026-06-30 | 124 | USD |
FinanceLeaseLiabilityPaymentsDue | 8,344,000 | 2025-12-31 | 17 | USD |
FinanceLeaseLiabilityPaymentsDueInRollingAfterYearFive | 8,343,000 | 2021-03-31 | 9 | USD |
ContractWithCustomerLiabilityRevenueRecognized | 8,100,000 | 2026-06-30 | 94 | USD |
SharebasedCompensationArrangementBySharebasedPaymentAwardEquityInstrumentsOtherThanOptionsAggregateIntrinsicValueVested | 8,100,000 | 2023-09-30 | 2 | USD |
IncomeTaxReconciliationIncomeTaxExpenseBenefitAtFederalStatutoryIncomeTaxRate | -7,814,000 | 2025-12-31 | 2 | USD |
NetCashProvidedByUsedInFinancingActivitiesContinuingOperations | 7,784,000 | 2017-03-31 | 12 | USD |
IncomeTaxReconciliationChangeInDeferredTaxAssetsValuationAllowance | 7,775,000 | 2025-12-31 | 2 | USD |
FinanceLeaseLiability | 7,641,000 | 2025-12-31 | 17 | USD |
PaymentsRelatedToTaxWithholdingForShareBasedCompensation | 7,626,000 | 2026-06-30 | 37 | USD |
PrepaidExpenseCurrent | 7,562,000 | 2026-06-30 | 46 | USD |
LongTermDebtMaturitiesRepaymentsOfPrincipalInYearThree | 7,144,000 | 2015-12-31 | 12 | USD |
SellingAndMarketingExpense | 7,122,000 | 2023-12-31 | 49 | USD |
PaymentsForRepurchaseOfCommonStock | 6,889,000 | 2026-06-30 | 40 | USD |
StockRepurchasedDuringPeriodValue | 6,889,000 | 2026-06-30 | 28 | USD |
TreasuryStockValueAcquiredCostMethod | 6,889,000 | 2026-06-30 | 37 | USD |
DepreciationDepletionAndAmortization | 6,776,000 | 2026-06-30 | 137 | USD |
FiniteLivedIntangibleAssetsAmortizationExpenseYearTwo | 6,669,000 | 2025-12-31 | 7 | USD |
OtherLiabilitiesCurrent | 6,614,000 | 2026-03-31 | 122 | USD |
RestrictedStockValueSharesIssuedNetOfTaxWithholdings | -6,406,000 | 2026-06-30 | 39 | USD |
AccountsPayableCurrent | 6,390,000 | 2026-06-30 | 32 | USD |
NetCashProvidedByUsedInOperatingActivitiesContinuingOperations | -6,228,000 | 2017-03-31 | 12 | USD |
AllocatedShareBasedCompensationExpense | 6,184,000 | 2026-06-30 | 61 | USD |
LongTermDebtMaturitiesRepaymentsOfPrincipalInYearFour | 6,157,000 | 2012-09-30 | 1 | USD |
DeferredTaxAssetsTaxCreditCarryforwardsResearch | 6,100,000 | 2025-12-31 | 8 | USD |
GainOrLossOnSaleOfStockInSubsidiary | 5,800,000 | 2007-04-30 | 11 | USD |
IncreaseDecreaseInContractWithCustomerLiability | 5,746,000 | 2026-06-30 | 47 | USD |
CapitalizedComputerSoftwareAccumulatedAmortization | 5,700,000 | 2021-06-30 | 25 | USD |
AccruedLiabilitiesCurrent | 5,673,000 | 2026-06-30 | 108 | USD |
StockIssuedDuringPeriodValueRestrictedStockAwardNetOfForfeitures | -5,671,000 | 2022-12-31 | 5 | USD |
ContractWithCustomerLiability | 5,654,000 | 2020-12-31 | 6 | USD |
InventoryGross | 5,458,000 | 2026-06-30 | 112 | USD |
CapitalLeasesFutureMinimumPaymentsInterestIncludedInPayments | 5,428,000 | 2018-12-31 | 8 | USD |
PrepaidExpenseAndOtherAssetsNoncurrent | 5,300,000 | 2024-09-30 | 1 | USD |
UnbilledContractsReceivable | 5,253,000 | 2026-06-30 | 59 | USD |
MinorityInterestDecreaseFromDistributionsToNoncontrollingInterestHolders | 5,179,000 | 2020-12-31 | 126 | USD |
IncreaseDecreaseInDeferredRevenue | 5,173,000 | 2017-12-31 | 24 | USD |
CostOfGoodsAndServicesSoldDepreciationAndAmortization | 5,110,000 | 2026-06-30 | 36 | USD |
SubordinatedDebt | 5,000,000 | 2016-03-31 | 1 | USD |
CostOfGoodsAndServicesSoldAmortization | 4,918,000 | 2026-06-30 | 36 | USD |
InventoryNet | 4,917,000 | 2026-06-30 | 124 | USD |
ShareBasedCompensationArrangementByShareBasedPaymentAwardNonOptionEquityInstrumentsOutstandingNumber | 4,905,000 | 2019-12-31 | 11 | shares |
LineOfCredit | 4,800,000 | 2016-06-30 | 19 | USD |
DeferredTaxAssetsTaxCreditCarryforwards | 4,763,000 | 2025-12-31 | 20 | USD |
ShareBasedCompensationArrangementByShareBasedPaymentAwardEquityInstrumentsOtherThanOptionsVestedInPeriod | 4,612,060 | 2026-06-30 | 17 | shares |
FinanceLeaseLiabilityNoncurrent | 4,536,000 | 2026-06-30 | 44 | USD |
NetCashProvidedByUsedInInvestingActivities | -4,493,000 | 2026-06-30 | 126 | USD |
IncreaseDecreaseInPrepaidDeferredExpenseAndOtherAssets | -4,445,000 | 2026-06-30 | 32 | USD |
OtherAssetsNoncurrent | 4,357,000 | 2026-06-30 | 124 | USD |
PaymentsToDevelopSoftware | 4,102,000 | 2026-06-30 | 79 | USD |
WeightedAverageNumberOfSharesRestrictedStock | 4,000,000 | 2022-03-31 | 1 | shares |
CumulativeEffectOfNewAccountingPrincipleInPeriodOfAdoption | 3,881,000 | 2018-12-31 | 5 | USD |
DividendsPayableCurrentAndNoncurrent | 3,843,000 | 2017-12-31 | 35 | USD |
Investments | 3,750,000 | 2026-06-30 | 20 | USD |
ShareBasedCompensationArrangementByShareBasedPaymentAwardEquityInstrumentsOtherThanOptionsGrantsInPeriod | 3,737,598 | 2026-06-30 | 17 | shares |
LongTermDebtMaturitiesRepaymentsOfPrincipalInYearTwo | 3,674,000 | 2016-03-31 | 16 | USD |
AdjustmentsToAdditionalPaidInCapitalSharebasedCompensationRequisiteServicePeriodRecognitionValue | 3,654,000 | 2026-06-30 | 74 | USD |
SalesRevenueGoodsNet | 3,614,000 | 2018-03-31 | 94 | USD |
FinanceLeaseRightOfUseAsset | 3,560,000 | 2026-06-30 | 34 | USD |
ResearchAndDevelopmentExpenseExcludingAcquiredInProcessCost | 3,500,000 | 2018-12-31 | 27 | USD |
PaymentsForRestructuring | 3,495,000 | 2023-12-31 | 4 | USD |
AdditionalPaidInCapital | 3,229,000 | 2016-06-30 | 44 | USD |
IncrementalCommonSharesAttributableToShareBasedPaymentArrangements | 3,215,000 | 2026-06-30 | 6 | shares |
FiniteLivedIntangibleAssetsAmortizationExpenseYearThree | 3,208,000 | 2025-12-31 | 7 | USD |
IncreaseDecreaseInOtherCurrentLiabilities | -3,152,000 | 2026-06-30 | 63 | USD |
StockRepurchasedDuringPeriodShares | 3,108,000 | 2025-12-31 | 3 | shares |
NoncontrollingInterestIncreaseFromSaleOfParentEquityInterest | 3,073,000 | 2014-12-31 | 4 | USD |
Goodwill | 3,006,000 | 2026-06-30 | 125 | USD |
GoodwillAcquiredDuringPeriod | 3,006,000 | 2021-12-31 | 1 | USD |
InvestmentOwnedAtCost | 3,000,000 | 2024-03-31 | 10 | USD |
LeaseholdImprovementsGross | 2,994,000 | 2021-12-31 | 24 | USD |
StockIssuedDuringPeriodValueShareBasedCompensation | 2,767,000 | 2026-06-30 | 2 | USD |
IncomeLossFromContinuingOperationsBeforeIncomeTaxesExtraordinaryItemsNoncontrollingInterest | 2,745,000 | 2026-06-30 | 291 | USD |
PaymentsOfDistributionsToAffiliates | 2,743,000 | 2020-12-31 | 3 | USD |
OperatingLeasesFutureMinimumPaymentsDue | 2,740,000 | 2018-12-31 | 8 | USD |
IncreaseDecreaseInAccountsPayable | 2,724,000 | 2025-12-31 | 4 | USD |
ResearchAndDevelopmentExpense | 2,702,000 | 2026-06-30 | 81 | USD |
NetIncomeLoss | 2,683,000 | 2026-06-30 | 291 | USD |
ComprehensiveIncomeNetOfTax | 2,678,000 | 2026-06-30 | 185 | USD |
DeferredTaxAssetsOperatingLossCarryforwardsStateAndLocal | 2,619,000 | 2025-12-31 | 30 | USD |
CashCashEquivalentsRestrictedCashAndRestrictedCashEquivalentsPeriodIncreaseDecreaseIncludingExchangeRateEffect | -2,532,000 | 2026-06-30 | 44 | USD |
ProceedsFromRepaymentsOfRelatedPartyDebt | 2,500,000 | 2015-12-31 | 11 | USD |
FinanceLeaseLiabilityPaymentsDueYearThree | 2,492,000 | 2025-12-31 | 8 | USD |
PropertyPlantAndEquipmentNet | 2,490,000 | 2026-06-30 | 120 | USD |
FinanceLeaseLiabilityPaymentsDueYearTwo | 2,431,000 | 2025-12-31 | 8 | USD |
FinanceLeaseLiabilityPaymentsDueNextTwelveMonths | 2,372,000 | 2025-12-31 | 8 | USD |
FinanceLeaseLiabilityPaymentsDueInRollingYearFive | 2,314,000 | 2021-03-31 | 9 | USD |
DeferredTaxAssetsTaxDeferredExpenseCompensationAndBenefitsEmployeeCompensation | 2,282,000 | 2025-12-31 | 30 | USD |
FinanceLeaseLiabilityPaymentsDueInRollingYearFour | 2,257,000 | 2021-03-31 | 9 | USD |
CapitalLeasesFutureMinimumPaymentsDueInFiveYears | 2,203,000 | 2018-12-31 | 8 | USD |
FinanceLeaseLiabilityPaymentsDueInRollingYearThree | 2,203,000 | 2021-03-31 | 9 | USD |
RedeemableNoncontrollingInterestEquityPreferredFairValue | 2,200,000 | 2012-08-24 | 3 | USD |
IncreaseDecreaseInAccountsPayableAndAccruedLiabilities | -2,158,000 | 2026-06-30 | 67 | USD |
CapitalLeasesFutureMinimumPaymentsDueInFourYears | 2,149,000 | 2018-12-31 | 8 | USD |
FinanceLeaseLiabilityPaymentsDueInRollingYearTwo | 2,149,000 | 2021-03-31 | 9 | USD |
FinanceLeaseLiabilityCurrent | 2,113,000 | 2026-06-30 | 44 | USD |
DeferredTaxAssetsTaxDeferredExpenseReservesAndAccrualsDeferredRent | 2,106,000 | 2025-12-31 | 22 | USD |
CapitalLeasesFutureMinimumPaymentsDueInThreeYears | 2,098,000 | 2018-12-31 | 8 | USD |
FinanceLeaseLiabilityPaymentsDueInNextRollingTwelveMonths | 2,097,000 | 2020-12-31 | 2 | USD |
CapitalLeasesFutureMinimumPaymentsDueInTwoYears | 2,046,000 | 2018-12-31 | 8 | USD |
DefinedBenefitPlanContributionsByEmployer | 2,000,000 | 2025-12-31 | 42 | USD |
LineOfCreditFacilityCurrentBorrowingCapacity | 2,000,000 | 2016-03-31 | 4 | USD |
CapitalLeasesFutureMinimumPaymentsDueCurrent | 1,996,000 | 2018-12-31 | 8 | USD |
LeaseCost | 1,963,000 | 2025-12-31 | 36 | USD |
ProceedsFromIssuanceOfCommonStock | 1,943,000 | 2023-06-30 | 19 | USD |
IncreaseDecreaseInInventories | 1,942,000 | 2026-06-30 | 67 | USD |
StockIssuedDuringPeriodSharesEmployeeBenefitPlan | 1,932,890 | 2025-12-31 | 15 | shares |
DeferredTaxAssetsLiabilitiesNet | 1,914,000 | 2014-12-31 | 1 | USD |
DeferredTaxAssetsLiabilitiesNetCurrent | 1,914,000 | 2014-12-31 | 12 | USD |
Depreciation | 1,800,000 | 2022-09-30 | 8 | USD |
FiniteLivedIntangibleAssetsAmortizationExpenseYearFour | 1,793,000 | 2025-12-31 | 7 | USD |
OtherAssetsCurrent | 1,779,000 | 2026-06-30 | 124 | USD |
OperatingIncomeLoss | 1,765,000 | 2026-06-30 | 211 | USD |
IncomeTaxExpenseBenefitContinuingOperations | 1,678,000 | 2013-12-31 | 6 | USD |
StockIssuedDuringPeriodValueNewIssues | 1,659,000 | 2026-06-30 | 35 | USD |
CostOfGoodsSold | 1,646,000 | 2018-03-31 | 94 | USD |
FinanceLeaseLiabilityPaymentsRemainderOfFiscalYear | 1,619,000 | 2022-03-31 | 10 | USD |
IncomeTaxReconciliationNondeductibleExpenseShareBasedCompensationCost | -1,603,000 | 2025-12-31 | 2 | USD |
TreasuryStockSharesAcquired | 1,559,486 | 2026-06-30 | 37 | shares |
LossContingencyEstimateOfPossibleLoss | 1,550,000 | 2017-10-19 | 3 | USD |
UnrecognizedTaxBenefits | 1,522,000 | 2025-12-31 | 117 | USD |
RestructuringCharges | 1,501,000 | 2025-12-31 | 8 | USD |
RestructuringSettlementAndImpairmentProvisions | 1,501,000 | 2025-12-31 | 2 | USD |
ContractWithCustomerAssetGrossCurrent | 1,432,000 | 2026-06-30 | 32 | USD |
LongTermDebtMaturitiesRepaymentsOfPrincipalInNextTwelveMonths | 1,400,000 | 2016-03-31 | 4 | USD |
CapitalLeaseObligationsCurrent | 1,368,000 | 2021-03-31 | 82 | USD |
DeferredTaxAssetsTaxDeferredExpenseReservesAndAccrualsAccruedLiabilities | 1,299,000 | 2025-12-31 | 30 | USD |
IncreaseDecreaseInOtherOperatingAssets | 1,249,000 | 2022-12-31 | 39 | USD |
FinanceLeaseRightOfUseAssetAmortization | 1,221,000 | 2025-12-31 | 41 | USD |
OtherNonoperatingIncomeExpense | 1,198,000 | 2026-06-30 | 73 | USD |
DeferredIncomeTaxLiabilities | 1,176,000 | 2025-12-31 | 30 | USD |
DeferredTaxLiabilitiesLeasingArrangements | 1,176,000 | 2025-12-31 | 8 | USD |
AntidilutiveSecuritiesExcludedFromComputationOfEarningsPerShareAmount | 1,158,000 | 2025-06-30 | 46 | shares |
RestructuringReserveAccrualAdjustment1 | 1,132,000 | 2023-12-31 | 4 | USD |
DeferredTaxAssetsNet | 1,123,000 | 2025-12-31 | 30 | USD |
LeaseAndRentalExpense | 1,100,000 | 2020-12-31 | 30 | USD |
FinanceLeaseLiabilityPaymentsDueYearFour | 1,049,000 | 2025-12-31 | 8 | USD |
IncreaseDecreaseInAccountsReceivable | 1,001,000 | 2026-06-30 | 71 | USD |
FinanceLeasePrincipalPayments | 992,000 | 2026-06-30 | 50 | USD |
InterestPayableCurrentAndNoncurrent | 984,000 | 2019-09-30 | 1 | USD |
NonoperatingIncomeExpense | -921,000 | 2021-12-31 | 38 | USD |
OtherDepreciationAndAmortization | 902,000 | 2026-06-30 | 78 | USD |
OperatingLeasesFutureMinimumPaymentsDueCurrent | 885,000 | 2018-12-31 | 8 | USD |
ContractWithCustomerLiabilityNoncurrent | 874,000 | 2026-06-30 | 6 | USD |
DebtInstrumentUnamortizedDiscountPremiumAndDebtIssuanceCostsNet | 865,000 | 2019-12-31 | 16 | USD |
CapitalizedComputerSoftwareAdditions | 800,000 | 2017-06-30 | 1 | USD |
OperatingLeaseExpense | 800,000 | 2021-12-31 | 3 | USD |
RealizedInvestmentGainsLosses | 800,000 | 2025-12-31 | 1 | USD |
OtherDeferredCostsNet | 791,000 | 2026-03-31 | 8 | USD |
PreferredStockDividendsShares | 736,863 | 1991-12-31 | 9 | shares |
DeferredTaxAssetsNetCurrent | 715,000 | 2015-09-30 | 30 | USD |
FinanceLeaseLiabilityUndiscountedExcessAmount | 703,000 | 2025-12-31 | 17 | USD |
CapitalizedComputerSoftwareAmortization1 | 700,000 | 2022-12-31 | 47 | USD |
RestructuringReserveCurrent | 700,000 | 2026-06-30 | 30 | USD |
GainContingencyUnrecordedAmount | 669,989 | 2017-09-27 | 2 | USD |
IncreaseDecreaseInPrepaidExpense | -668,000 | 2020-12-31 | 33 | USD |
ShareBasedCompensationArrangementByShareBasedPaymentAwardOptionsOutstandingIntrinsicValue | 635,600 | 2026-06-30 | 26 | USD |
SharebasedCompensationArrangementBySharebasedPaymentAwardOptionsExercisableIntrinsicValue1 | 635,600 | 2026-06-30 | 12 | USD |
IncreaseDecreaseInAccruedLiabilitiesAndOtherOperatingLiabilities | 634,000 | 2025-12-31 | 4 | USD |
DeferredTaxLiabilitiesNoncurrent | 612,000 | 2019-09-30 | 44 | USD |
DeferredFederalIncomeTaxExpenseBenefit | -560,000 | 2025-12-31 | 42 | USD |
OperatingLeasesFutureMinimumPaymentsDueInTwoYears | 551,000 | 2018-12-31 | 8 | USD |
OperatingLeasesFutureMinimumPaymentsDueInThreeYears | 547,000 | 2018-12-31 | 8 | USD |
InventoryValuationReserves | 541,000 | 2026-06-30 | 141 | USD |
CashAndCashEquivalentsPeriodIncreaseDecrease | -528,000 | 2018-12-31 | 73 | USD |
FiniteLivedIntangibleAssetsAmortizationExpenseYearFive | 514,000 | 2025-12-31 | 7 | USD |
IncreaseDecreaseInOtherOperatingLiabilities | -507,000 | 2022-09-30 | 4 | USD |
IncreaseDecreaseInOtherOperatingCapitalNet | 502,000 | 2022-03-31 | 71 | USD |
AdvertisingExpense | 500,000 | 2025-12-31 | 12 | USD |
LesseeOperatingLeaseLiabilityPaymentsDue | 444,000 | 2025-12-31 | 17 | USD |
PreferredStockRedemptionDiscount | 444,000 | 2012-09-30 | 11 | USD |
FinanceLeaseInterestExpense | 437,000 | 2025-12-31 | 41 | USD |
FinanceLeaseInterestPaymentOnLiability | 437,000 | 2025-12-31 | 31 | USD |
AllowanceForDoubtfulAccountsReceivable | 429,000 | 2016-12-31 | 24 | USD |
LesseeOperatingLeaseLiabilityPaymentsRemainderOfFiscalYear | 429,000 | 2022-03-31 | 10 | USD |
OperatingLeaseLiability | 418,000 | 2025-12-31 | 17 | USD |
InterestExpenseDebt | 400,000 | 2019-03-31 | 6 | USD |
RestructuringReserve | 400,000 | 2023-12-31 | 8 | USD |
OperatingLeasesFutureMinimumPaymentsDueInFourYears | 394,000 | 2018-12-31 | 8 | USD |
PrepaidExpenseNoncurrent | 372,000 | 2026-06-30 | 12 | USD |
LineOfCreditFacilityPeriodicPaymentPrincipal | 350,000 | 2016-03-31 | 11 | USD |
OperatingLeasesFutureMinimumPaymentsDueInFiveYears | 335,000 | 2018-12-31 | 8 | USD |
RepaymentsOfLongTermCapitalLeaseObligations | 321,000 | 2021-03-31 | 93 | USD |
IncreaseDecreaseInDeferredCompensation | -317,000 | 2022-12-31 | 39 | USD |
OperatingLeaseRightOfUseAsset | 298,000 | 2026-06-30 | 60 | USD |
InterestExpenseRelatedParty | 292,000 | 2017-12-31 | 22 | USD |
LitigationSettlementAmountAwardedFromOtherParty | 278,000 | 2017-09-11 | 4 | USD |
OperatingLeaseLiabilityCurrent | 255,000 | 2026-06-30 | 47 | USD |
LesseeOperatingLeaseLiabilityPaymentsDueNextTwelveMonths | 252,000 | 2025-12-31 | 13 | USD |
OperatingLeaseCost | 248,000 | 2025-12-31 | 41 | USD |
OperatingLeasePayments | 245,000 | 2025-12-31 | 31 | USD |
AmortizationOfIntangibleAssets | 227,000 | 2026-06-30 | 80 | USD |
ShareBasedCompensationArrangementByShareBasedPaymentAwardOptionsExercisableNumber | 227,000 | 2026-06-30 | 27 | shares |
ShareBasedCompensationArrangementByShareBasedPaymentAwardOptionsOutstandingNumber | 227,000 | 2026-06-30 | 46 | shares |
UnrecognizedTaxBenefitsIncomeTaxPenaltiesAndInterestExpense | 210,000 | 2015-12-31 | 2 | USD |
IncreaseDecreaseInEmployeeRelatedLiabilities | -208,000 | 2026-06-30 | 32 | USD |
InterestPaidNet | 203,000 | 2026-06-30 | 137 | USD |
DeferredStateAndLocalIncomeTaxExpenseBenefit | -200,000 | 2025-12-31 | 42 | USD |
InterestExpense | 175,000 | 2024-03-31 | 179 | USD |
OtherLiabilitiesNoncurrent | 171,000 | 2026-06-30 | 124 | USD |
LesseeOperatingLeaseLiabilityPaymentsDueYearTwo | 166,000 | 2025-12-31 | 17 | USD |
GoodwillAllocationAdjustment | 142,000 | 2012-12-31 | 3 | USD |
RestrictedCashNoncurrent | 141,000 | 2026-06-30 | 34 | USD |
DeferredTaxAssetsInventory | 135,000 | 2025-12-31 | 30 | USD |
UnrecognizedTaxBenefitsIncreasesResultingFromPriorPeriodTaxPositions | 123,000 | 2024-12-31 | 25 | USD |
IncomeTaxReconciliationPriorYearIncomeTaxes | 123,000 | 2025-12-31 | 2 | USD |
AccumulatedOtherComprehensiveIncomeLossForeignCurrencyTranslationAdjustmentNetOfTax | -116,000 | 2022-06-30 | 64 | USD |
NetCashProvidedByUsedInInvestingActivitiesContinuingOperations | -116,000 | 2017-03-31 | 12 | USD |
CommonStockValue | 113,000 | 2026-06-30 | 104 | USD |
OtherComprehensiveIncomeReclassificationOfDefinedBenefitPlansNetGainLossRecognizedInNetPeriodicBenefitCostBeforeTax | 109,000 | 2013-12-31 | 6 | USD |
ProceedsFromStockOptionsExercised | 108,000 | 2025-12-31 | 12 | USD |
StockIssuedDuringPeriodValueStockOptionsExercised | 108,000 | 2025-12-31 | 13 | USD |
AccumulatedOtherComprehensiveIncomeLossDefinedBenefitPensionAndOtherPostretirementPlansNetOfTax | -107,000 | 2022-06-30 | 64 | USD |
OtherComprehensiveIncomeLossReclassificationAdjustmentFromAOCIPensionAndOtherPostretirementBenefitPlansForNetGainLossBeforeTax | 107,000 | 2020-12-31 | 13 | USD |
IncomeTaxesPaid | 106,000 | 2026-06-30 | 119 | USD |
AccumulatedOtherComprehensiveIncomeLossNetOfTax | -101,000 | 2026-06-30 | 124 | USD |
CapitalizedComputerSoftwareNet | 100,000 | 2025-12-31 | 33 | USD |
DebtInstrumentFeeAmount | 100,000 | 2016-03-31 | 11 | USD |
AllowanceForDoubtfulAccountsReceivablePeriodIncreaseDecrease | -99,000 | 2022-12-31 | 24 | USD |
CurrentIncomeTaxExpenseBenefit | 97,000 | 2025-12-31 | 42 | USD |
OtherAssetsMiscellaneousNoncurrent | 94,000 | 2026-06-30 | 20 | USD |
IncomeLossFromContinuingOperationsBeforeIncomeTaxesForeign | 93,000 | 2025-12-31 | 2 | USD |
IncomeTaxReconciliationNondeductibleExpenseOther | -90,000 | 2025-12-31 | 2 | USD |
IncomeTaxReconciliationStateAndLocalIncomeTaxes | -90,000 | 2025-12-31 | 2 | USD |
CurrentStateAndLocalTaxExpenseBenefit | 85,000 | 2025-12-31 | 42 | USD |
ShareBasedCompensationArrangementByShareBasedPaymentAwardNonOptionEquityInstrumentsGranted | 79,361 | 2020-09-30 | 10 | shares |
DeferredTaxAssetsPropertyPlantAndEquipment | 69,000 | 2025-12-31 | 14 | USD |
OtherComprehensiveIncomeLossForeignCurrencyTransactionAndTranslationAdjustmentBeforeTax | 63,000 | 2020-12-31 | 22 | USD |
UnrecognizedTaxBenefitsIncreasesResultingFromCurrentPeriodTaxPositions | 63,000 | 2025-12-31 | 42 | USD |
IncomeTaxExpenseBenefit | 62,000 | 2026-06-30 | 207 | USD |
OperatingLeaseLiabilityNoncurrent | 62,000 | 2026-06-30 | 60 | USD |
TaxCreditCarryforwardAmount | 60,000 | 2019-12-31 | 4 | USD |
DeferredIncomeTaxLiabilitiesNet | 57,000 | 2026-06-30 | 54 | USD |
ShortTermLeaseCost | 57,000 | 2025-12-31 | 36 | USD |
UnrecognizedTaxBenefitsDecreasesResultingFromPriorPeriodTaxPositions | 56,000 | 2025-12-31 | 17 | USD |
DeferredTaxLiabilities | 53,000 | 2025-12-31 | 43 | USD |
GainLossOnDispositionOfAssets1 | -52,000 | 2026-06-30 | 62 | USD |
InventoryWriteDown | 42,000 | 2026-06-30 | 44 | USD |
IncomeTaxesPaidNet | 42,000 | 2025-12-31 | 2 | USD |
AllowanceForDoubtfulAccountsReceivableCurrent | 40,000 | 2026-06-30 | 139 | USD |
UnrecognizedTaxBenefitsDecreasesResultingFromSettlementsWithTaxingAuthorities | 37,000 | 2019-12-31 | 27 | USD |
OtherComprehensiveIncomeLossBeforeReclassificationsNetOfTax | 33,000 | 2025-12-31 | 6 | USD |
ProductWarrantyAccrual | 30,000 | 2020-12-31 | 48 | USD |
IncomeTaxPaidStateAndLocalAfterRefundReceived | 30,000 | 2025-12-31 | 2 | USD |
OtherComprehensiveIncomeForeignCurrencyTranslationGainLossArisingDuringPeriodTax | -29,000 | 2022-03-31 | 23 | USD |
OperatingLeasesFutureMinimumPaymentsDueThereafter | 28,000 | 2018-12-31 | 8 | USD |
ShareBasedCompensationArrangementByShareBasedPaymentAwardEquityInstrumentsOtherThanOptionsForfeitedInPeriod | 27,255 | 2026-06-30 | 17 | shares |
LesseeOperatingLeaseLiabilityPaymentsDueYearThree | 26,000 | 2025-12-31 | 17 | USD |
LesseeOperatingLeaseLiabilityUndiscountedExcessAmount | 26,000 | 2025-12-31 | 17 | USD |
IncomeTaxReconciliationTaxCreditsResearch | 26,000 | 2025-12-31 | 2 | USD |
CapitalExpendituresIncurredButNotYetPaid | 23,000 | 2026-06-30 | 35 | USD |
OtherComprehensiveIncomeForeignCurrencyTransactionAndTranslationAdjustmentNetOfTaxPeriodIncreaseDecrease | -22,000 | 2012-03-31 | 5 | USD |
OtherComprehensiveIncomeLossNetOfTaxPeriodIncreaseDecrease | -22,000 | 2012-03-31 | 2 | USD |
PaymentsOfDebtIssuanceCosts | 21,000 | 2026-06-30 | 35 | USD |
AllowanceForDoubtfulAccountsReceivableRecoveries | 17,000 | 2025-12-31 | 15 | USD |
AmortizationOfFinancingCosts | 17,000 | 2026-06-30 | 131 | USD |
ShareBasedCompensationArrangementByShareBasedPaymentAwardNonOptionEquityInstrumentsForfeitures | 15,000 | 2019-12-31 | 5 | shares |
OtherNonoperatingIncome | 14,000 | 2020-09-30 | 96 | USD |
OtherPrepaidExpenseCurrent | 12,000 | 2020-09-30 | 74 | USD |
CurrentForeignTaxExpenseBenefit | 12,000 | 2025-12-31 | 4 | USD |
IncomeTaxPaidForeignAfterRefundReceived | 12,000 | 2025-12-31 | 2 | USD |
DeferredTaxAssetsTaxDeferredExpenseReservesAndAccrualsAllowanceForDoubtfulAccounts | 10,000 | 2025-12-31 | 30 | USD |
SeveranceCosts1 | -10,000 | 2024-06-30 | 6 | USD |
IncomeTaxReconciliationForeignIncomeTaxRateDifferential | -8,000 | 2025-12-31 | 2 | USD |
OtherNoncashIncomeExpense | -7,000 | 2022-03-31 | 66 | USD |
IncomeTaxReconciliationTaxContingencies | 6,000 | 2025-12-31 | 2 | USD |
OtherComprehensiveIncomeLossForeignCurrencyTransactionAndTranslationAdjustmentNetOfTax | -5,000 | 2026-06-30 | 184 | USD |
OtherComprehensiveIncomeLossNetOfTax | -5,000 | 2026-06-30 | 113 | USD |
OtherComprehensiveIncomeForeignCurrencyTransactionAndTranslationAdjustmentNetOfTaxPortionAttributableToParent | -5,000 | 2026-06-30 | 52 | USD |
OciBeforeReclassificationsNetOfTaxAttributableToParent | -5,000 | 2026-06-30 | 7 | USD |
DeferredIncomeTaxExpenseBenefit | 4,000 | 2026-06-30 | 137 | USD |
GainLossOnSaleOfPropertyPlantEquipment | -2,000 | 2022-09-30 | 6 | USD |
ProvisionForDoubtfulAccounts | 1,000 | 2026-06-30 | 71 | USD |
StockRedeemedOrCalledDuringPeriodShares | 567 | 2013-06-14 | 1 | shares |
PreferredStockLiquidationPreference | 10 | 2016-06-30 | 3 | USD/shares |
ShareBasedCompensationArrangementByShareBasedPaymentAwardEquityInstrumentsOtherThanOptionsGrantsInPeriodWeightedAverageGrantDateFairValue | 6 | 2026-06-30 | 17 | USD/shares |
TreasuryStockAcquiredAverageCostPerShare | 4 | 2026-06-30 | 37 | USD/shares |
ShareBasedCompensationArrangementByShareBasedPaymentAwardEquityInstrumentsOtherThanOptionsNonvestedWeightedAverageGrantDateFairValue | 4 | 2026-06-30 | 34 | USD/shares |
ShareBasedCompensationArrangementByShareBasedPaymentAwardEquityInstrumentsOtherThanOptionsForfeituresWeightedAverageGrantDateFairValue | 4 | 2026-06-30 | 17 | USD/shares |
ShareBasedCompensationArrangementByShareBasedPaymentAwardEquityInstrumentsOtherThanOptionsVestedInPeriodWeightedAverageGrantDateFairValue | 3 | 2026-06-30 | 17 | USD/shares |
NumberOfReportingUnits | 3 | 2021-03-31 | 7 | Reportingunit |
NumberOfReportingUnits | 3 | 2018-09-30 | 2 | Unit |
NumberOfOperatingSegments | 2 | 2026-06-30 | 22 | segment |
NumberOfReportableSegments | 2 | 2026-06-30 | 23 | segment |
NumberOfReportingUnits | 2 | 2025-12-31 | 4 | reporting_unit |
ShareBasedCompensationArrangementByShareBasedPaymentAwardOptionsExercisableWeightedAverageExercisePrice | 2 | 2026-06-30 | 27 | USD/shares |
ShareBasedCompensationArrangementByShareBasedPaymentAwardOptionsOutstandingWeightedAverageExercisePrice | 2 | 2026-06-30 | 46 | USD/shares |
ClassOfWarrantOrRightExercisePriceOfWarrantsOrRights1 | 2 | 2022-12-31 | 18 | USD/shares |
PreferredStockDividendRatePerDollarAmount | 1 | 2016-03-31 | 3 | USD/shares |
SharebasedCompensationArrangementBySharebasedPaymentAwardOptionsVestedWeightedAverageGrantDateFairValue | 1 | 2024-12-31 | 8 | USD/shares |
ConcentrationRiskPercentage1 | 1 | 2017-12-31 | 21 | pure |
ConversionOfStockSharesConverted1 | 1 | 2022-12-31 | 3 | shares |
NumberOfOperatingSegments | 1 | 2020-12-31 | 1 | Segment |
NumberOfReportableSegments | 1 | 2021-03-31 | 37 | Segment |
SaleOfStockPercentageOfOwnershipBeforeTransaction | 1 | 2007-04-30 | 3 | pure |
StockholdersEquityNoteStockSplitConversionRatio1 | 1 | 2020-11-12 | 8 | pure |
SaleOfStockPercentageOfOwnershipAfterTransaction | 1 | 2007-04-30 | 6 | pure |
DefinedContributionPlanEmployerMatchingContributionPercent | 0 | 2016-12-31 | 6 | pure |
DefinedContributionPlanEmployerMatchingContributionPercentOfMatch | 0 | 2025-12-31 | 5 | pure |
RevenueRemainingPerformanceObligationPercentage | 0 | 2018-09-30 | 2 | pure |
ShareBasedCompensationArrangementByShareBasedPaymentAwardFairValueAssumptionsExpectedVolatilityRateMaximum | 0 | 2024-12-31 | 5 | pure |
ShareBasedCompensationArrangementByShareBasedPaymentAwardFairValueAssumptionsExpectedVolatilityRateMinimum | 0 | 2024-12-31 | 5 | pure |
EffectiveIncomeTaxRateReconciliationAtFederalStatutoryIncomeTaxRate | 0 | 2025-12-31 | 46 | pure |
EffectiveIncomeTaxRateReconciliationChangeInDeferredTaxAssetsValuationAllowance | -0 | 2025-12-31 | 42 | pure |
DefinedContributionPlanEmployersMatchingContributionAnnualVestingPercentage | 0 | 2023-09-01 | 17 | pure |
LongTermDebtPercentageBearingFixedInterestRate | 0 | 2018-12-31 | 13 | pure |
PreferredStockDividendRatePercentage | 0 | 2017-12-31 | 13 | pure |
DefinedContributionPlanMaximumAnnualContributionsPerEmployeePercent | 0 | 2025-12-31 | 15 | pure |
DebtInstrumentInterestRateDuringPeriod | 0 | 2016-06-30 | 6 | pure |
DebtWeightedAverageInterestRate | 0 | 2015-09-30 | 10 | pure |
EffectiveIncomeTaxRateReconciliationNondeductibleExpenseResearchAndDevelopment | 0 | 2019-12-31 | 27 | pure |
OperatingLeaseWeightedAverageDiscountRatePercent | 0 | 2025-12-31 | 25 | pure |
LineOfCreditFacilityInterestRateAtPeriodEnd | 0 | 2016-12-31 | 20 | pure |
FinanceLeaseWeightedAverageDiscountRatePercent | 0 | 2025-12-31 | 25 | pure |
EarningsPerShareBasic | 0 | 2026-06-30 | 91 | USD/shares |
What to be careful about
What this model itself distrusts about TLS's figures. Written by the derivation as it ran, not added afterwards.
- there is no operating profit to value; valuation rests on EV/revenue (1.4x) instead
- analyst estimate not used: trailing EPS is not positive, so a growth rate would be meaningless